Thinking of precious metal ETF's?
Then you better think again...
Can't you see the yellow caution light that is flashing...
I would like to explain the difference between investing in the actual metal
versus precious metal ETFs. One should completely realize when buying a
precious metal ETF, it is simply a representation of the price in gold or
silver. Investing in precious metals entails buying the real metal directly
or through a program that offers the right to receive physical metal in
deliverable form upon liquidation with no conditions.
What is overlooked by most professionals?
One of the items that I read in the prospectus of the gold and silver ETFs
that concerns me relates to the reported expenses of the fund. I am a
professional expert in the storage and security of gold and silver. I run a
fully segregated and insured storage program that is independent of the
financial system. I also run a very unique physical gold and silver bullion
fund that takes delivery of all physical metal, as well as, stores and insures the metal outside the financial system in fully segregated and armored vaults. I am very knowledgeable with the cost of insuring and securing physical metal.
The expense ratios for many of the ETFs and other funds are very telling.
Many products want to have the lowest fee to attract today's cost conscious
investor. However, there is an old saying, "You get what you pay for". I
will take the SPDR Gold Shares "GLD" for example. They claim the custodian
charges .10 % or 10 basis point to properly safeguard the gold. A qualified
custodian must properly store the physical metal through the use of very
specific security controls such as cameras, sensors, armed guards, etc.
However just as important is the insurance which would protect the facility
and owner of the metal in the event of a breakdown in the security controls
of the vault.
What is fascinating is the unbelievably low cost the SPDR Gold Shares pays
for this security and insurance. Lets forget about the cost of simply
providing a secure facility to store the gold.
At these level of assets, there is only one company in the world that
insures physical precious metals in armored vaults. I have been told there
is no way this insurance company would charge a meager 10 basis points
annually for an "all risk" policy. That is equivalent to insuring a car
worth $10,000 and its driver for ten dollars a year. No insurance company
could ever make enough money to cover the risk of loss on that policy except
maybe AIG. Even some of the largest custodians for valuable assets pay a
minimum of 15 to 25 basis points just for an "all risk" insurance policy.
Personally, I question any program that stores their metal at a financial
institution. In many cases, the financial institution is internally insuring
much of the gold it stores. The problem with that is, if the institution
runs into financial trouble the owner of the metal has no protection against
the loss or damage to the items being stored. And isn't the idea of owning
gold and silver a hedge against a failure in the financial system?
That is why our programs store everything outside the financial system in
independently insured vaults.
Bob Coleman
www.goldsilvervault.com
Monday, June 1, 2009
Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Worried Investors Want Gold on Hand
Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A3
FEBRUARY 25, 2009 Worried Investors Want Gold on Hand By CAROLYN CUI and ALLEN SYKORA
Some investors are so worried about the prospect of economic
collapse that they are buying gold and having it delivered to them,
rather than holding the precious metal in the form of futures contracts
or other securities.
The global recession and worries about the stability of the
financial system have sent the price of gold to $1,000 an ounce. But
more surprising is that buyers are taking the unusual and expensive step
of taking possession of it.
"We're having some of our strongest months ever," said Scott Thomas,
president and chief executive of American Precious Metals Exchange, a
precious-metals dealer in Edmond, Okla. "The bottom line is our numbers
are probably double what they were last year, and last year was very
busy."
Bob Coleman, who runs a bullion fund out of Nampa, Idaho, has taken
multiple deliveries of gold and silver since last fall for his clients.
The fund, Dollars and Sense Growth Fund, primarily invests in precious
metals for high-net-worth individuals.
"It's more of a trust issue," says Mr. Coleman. "Given all the
turmoil in the market, people prefer to have access to the metal."
Sales of American Eagle gold bullion coins at the U.S. Mint in
Philadelphia more than doubled in the first two months of this year.
Investors are also flocking to gold coins. At the U.S. Mint, a total
of 147,500 ounces of American Eagle gold bullion coins were sold in the
first two months this year, a surge of 176% from the same period last
year.
Demand is rising at the Comex, the metals division of the New York
Mercantile Exchange, where investors increasingly are choosing to take
physical delivery of gold, rather than cash, once their futures contacts
expire.
Rising delivery orders have kept Brink's Inc., a major carrier for
the Comex, busy. The Richmond, Va., company said it saw a large spike in
clients shipping gold and silver from the exchange over the past few
months.
Tony Klancic, an account executive at Lind-Waldock, a Chicago
commodities brokerage, says he has been taking calls since September
from individual investors wanting to buy physical gold.
These are "real people in rural America with money under the
mattress, and wealthy individuals coming to the futures market strictly
intending to take delivery," Mr. Klancic said.
In December, 4.5% of gold contracts ended in delivery, compared with
3.4% a year earlier, according to the exchange. Investors also are
taking delivery of silver, with contracts ending in delivery rising to
7.3% from 4.7%. December is typically a big month for deliveries, and in
January, deliveries remained higher than the year before.
Jewelers and other users of metals are among the buyers who take
possession of gold and silver. But with sales of jewelry down and other
industrial users cutting back, it appears that investors are causing the
increase.
Gold deliveries peaked at more than 8% in the early 1980s, when
Mexico defaulted on its foreign debt and the world economy was in
recession. Deliveries dropped and have gradually fallen back to the
range of 2% in recent years.
Gold pierced the $1,000 level last Friday, the first time since
March 2008. On Tuesday, the February contract closed at $969.10 per troy
ounce. So far this year, the precious metal is up 9.7%.
Taking physical delivery of gold can be costly and complicated.
Investors typically buy gold on exchanges using futures contracts. Since
each contract represents 100 ounces of gold, an investor would have to
pay $96,910 per contract, based on Tuesday's close, in order to take
delivery. By contrast, investors need to put down only $3,999 up front
to trade such a futures contract.
"It is an expensive proposition," says Jeff Christian, managing
director at CPM Group, a New York precious-metal research firm.
Also, the logistics of buying a big lump of metal might be daunting
for smaller players. Investors who decide to take delivery of gold
contracts face high storage and insurance costs. And if buyers actually
want the gold or other precious metals in their possession, they must
arrange for delivery by armored truck. In a recent delivery of 100,000
ounces of silver, Mr. Coleman paid $3,000 to transport the metal from
New York to Idaho.
Write to Carolyn Cui at carolyn.cui@wsj.com
Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A3
---------------------------------
Carolyn Cui Money & Investing The Wall Street Journal. Work: 212-416-3078 Mobile: 646-593-1152 Email: carolyn.cui@wsj.com
FEBRUARY 25, 2009 Worried Investors Want Gold on Hand By CAROLYN CUI and ALLEN SYKORA
Some investors are so worried about the prospect of economic
collapse that they are buying gold and having it delivered to them,
rather than holding the precious metal in the form of futures contracts
or other securities.
The global recession and worries about the stability of the
financial system have sent the price of gold to $1,000 an ounce. But
more surprising is that buyers are taking the unusual and expensive step
of taking possession of it.
"We're having some of our strongest months ever," said Scott Thomas,
president and chief executive of American Precious Metals Exchange, a
precious-metals dealer in Edmond, Okla. "The bottom line is our numbers
are probably double what they were last year, and last year was very
busy."
Bob Coleman, who runs a bullion fund out of Nampa, Idaho, has taken
multiple deliveries of gold and silver since last fall for his clients.
The fund, Dollars and Sense Growth Fund, primarily invests in precious
metals for high-net-worth individuals.
"It's more of a trust issue," says Mr. Coleman. "Given all the
turmoil in the market, people prefer to have access to the metal."
Sales of American Eagle gold bullion coins at the U.S. Mint in
Philadelphia more than doubled in the first two months of this year.
Investors are also flocking to gold coins. At the U.S. Mint, a total
of 147,500 ounces of American Eagle gold bullion coins were sold in the
first two months this year, a surge of 176% from the same period last
year.
Demand is rising at the Comex, the metals division of the New York
Mercantile Exchange, where investors increasingly are choosing to take
physical delivery of gold, rather than cash, once their futures contacts
expire.
Rising delivery orders have kept Brink's Inc., a major carrier for
the Comex, busy. The Richmond, Va., company said it saw a large spike in
clients shipping gold and silver from the exchange over the past few
months.
Tony Klancic, an account executive at Lind-Waldock, a Chicago
commodities brokerage, says he has been taking calls since September
from individual investors wanting to buy physical gold.
These are "real people in rural America with money under the
mattress, and wealthy individuals coming to the futures market strictly
intending to take delivery," Mr. Klancic said.
In December, 4.5% of gold contracts ended in delivery, compared with
3.4% a year earlier, according to the exchange. Investors also are
taking delivery of silver, with contracts ending in delivery rising to
7.3% from 4.7%. December is typically a big month for deliveries, and in
January, deliveries remained higher than the year before.
Jewelers and other users of metals are among the buyers who take
possession of gold and silver. But with sales of jewelry down and other
industrial users cutting back, it appears that investors are causing the
increase.
Gold deliveries peaked at more than 8% in the early 1980s, when
Mexico defaulted on its foreign debt and the world economy was in
recession. Deliveries dropped and have gradually fallen back to the
range of 2% in recent years.
Gold pierced the $1,000 level last Friday, the first time since
March 2008. On Tuesday, the February contract closed at $969.10 per troy
ounce. So far this year, the precious metal is up 9.7%.
Taking physical delivery of gold can be costly and complicated.
Investors typically buy gold on exchanges using futures contracts. Since
each contract represents 100 ounces of gold, an investor would have to
pay $96,910 per contract, based on Tuesday's close, in order to take
delivery. By contrast, investors need to put down only $3,999 up front
to trade such a futures contract.
"It is an expensive proposition," says Jeff Christian, managing
director at CPM Group, a New York precious-metal research firm.
Also, the logistics of buying a big lump of metal might be daunting
for smaller players. Investors who decide to take delivery of gold
contracts face high storage and insurance costs. And if buyers actually
want the gold or other precious metals in their possession, they must
arrange for delivery by armored truck. In a recent delivery of 100,000
ounces of silver, Mr. Coleman paid $3,000 to transport the metal from
New York to Idaho.
Write to Carolyn Cui at carolyn.cui@wsj.com
Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A3
---------------------------------
Carolyn Cui Money & Investing The Wall Street Journal. Work: 212-416-3078 Mobile: 646-593-1152 Email: carolyn.cui@wsj.com
Friday, December 19, 2008
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Thursday, December 4, 2008
A Memorable Delivery Experience
A Memorable Delivery Experience
For those who remember, I wrote a letter asking about taking delivery from the COMEX. Well I would like to tell you about a very educational experience.
Recently, we took a delivery from the COMEX. The process was a bit cumbersome but very enlightening. First, I would like to say that the process of dealing with the custodians was very professional. However, let me begin my story of amazement.
The silver and gold were to be prepared and packaged for shipment by the existing custodian. As I understand it, this was part of the delivery out fee. We will get back to the packaging later.
The metal was arranged for a pick up and delivery using a very well known armored carrier. Initially, everything was going as planned. After the metal was gathered from various custodians, it was on its way to one of our facilities. We were in contact with the armored carrier who laid out a time frame of when to expect arrival of the armored truck. We were told that shipment arrivals usually occur in the morning and with plenty of notice.
This is when the story gets interesting.
Three days after the shipment leaves New York, I get a call at 4:50 pm from one of our vault managers. He mentioned if the armored carrier ever called with a delivery time. I told him the armored carrier was supposed to call us with an estimated time of arrival. Our vault manger paused and said, “I have a big armored truck sitting outside.” He mentioned to me later that the truck was fairly weighed down in the back with the headlights shooting up in the air. Anyone in the armored transportation business would say at this point we have a problem. An unscheduled delivery, 10 minutes before the vault is locked down, darkness setting in, and a truck with an obviously big payload sounds like a setting for a Jessie James novel.
But wait it gets better.
The packaging which the COMEX custodian charged for consisted of pallets of silver with metal bands over the bars. The gold bars were in a simple cardboard box. There was no shrink wrap over the pallets or secured container holding the gold bars. It seemed like a $10 glass bowl bought on the internet was better prepared for shipment than this extremely valuable cargo.
Somehow during the transportation, the bands on the pallets holding the silver bars broke and some of the bars were scattered in the armored truck. To make matters worse there was no invoice providing an itemized list of bars and their serial numbers. In fact on the invoice, the delivery date was to be two days later.
Typically, this is a point when you get someone in charge on the phone. Well, that is what we did. We contacted the carrier’s regional transportation official. We told him in most cases a delivery like this is usually not accepted due to risk and liability. After a few words the carrier’s manager said if you do not take delivery we will send the metal back to our regional office, load it on a trailer, and send it back to New York.
When you are talking several tons of metal, you think twice about moving this around. After we inspected the metal for damage and counted the bars, we accepted the shipment.
Please understand taking delivery from the COMEX entails some risk. But for many proponents of gold and silver to simply say “have the metal shipped to a business, store it at home, or do not let a third party handle or store your metal,” investors might consider this experience. When you have armed guards show up at your doorstep with a shipment, they are trained to carry out a certain function. They are not there to greet you with a smile like a mailman or newspaper delivery boy.
Our armored facility is very well equipped to handle deliveries whether scheduled or unscheduled. Fortunately, the experience of our management team turned a potentially costly situation into safe and secure delivery.
Do not let this story dissuade you from taking delivery off the COMEX. The above story is not your typical delivery and most armored carriers provide a very secure environment for its cargo and the items held in their vault. For us the process is routine. Our facility can support you in preparing the three items requested by the COMEX custodian for delivery, arranging for a pick up and transportation, and securing valuable assets in a fully insured/segregated facility.
Bob Coleman
profitsplus@cableone.net
http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/
For those who remember, I wrote a letter asking about taking delivery from the COMEX. Well I would like to tell you about a very educational experience.
Recently, we took a delivery from the COMEX. The process was a bit cumbersome but very enlightening. First, I would like to say that the process of dealing with the custodians was very professional. However, let me begin my story of amazement.
The silver and gold were to be prepared and packaged for shipment by the existing custodian. As I understand it, this was part of the delivery out fee. We will get back to the packaging later.
The metal was arranged for a pick up and delivery using a very well known armored carrier. Initially, everything was going as planned. After the metal was gathered from various custodians, it was on its way to one of our facilities. We were in contact with the armored carrier who laid out a time frame of when to expect arrival of the armored truck. We were told that shipment arrivals usually occur in the morning and with plenty of notice.
This is when the story gets interesting.
Three days after the shipment leaves New York, I get a call at 4:50 pm from one of our vault managers. He mentioned if the armored carrier ever called with a delivery time. I told him the armored carrier was supposed to call us with an estimated time of arrival. Our vault manger paused and said, “I have a big armored truck sitting outside.” He mentioned to me later that the truck was fairly weighed down in the back with the headlights shooting up in the air. Anyone in the armored transportation business would say at this point we have a problem. An unscheduled delivery, 10 minutes before the vault is locked down, darkness setting in, and a truck with an obviously big payload sounds like a setting for a Jessie James novel.
But wait it gets better.
The packaging which the COMEX custodian charged for consisted of pallets of silver with metal bands over the bars. The gold bars were in a simple cardboard box. There was no shrink wrap over the pallets or secured container holding the gold bars. It seemed like a $10 glass bowl bought on the internet was better prepared for shipment than this extremely valuable cargo.
Somehow during the transportation, the bands on the pallets holding the silver bars broke and some of the bars were scattered in the armored truck. To make matters worse there was no invoice providing an itemized list of bars and their serial numbers. In fact on the invoice, the delivery date was to be two days later.
Typically, this is a point when you get someone in charge on the phone. Well, that is what we did. We contacted the carrier’s regional transportation official. We told him in most cases a delivery like this is usually not accepted due to risk and liability. After a few words the carrier’s manager said if you do not take delivery we will send the metal back to our regional office, load it on a trailer, and send it back to New York.
When you are talking several tons of metal, you think twice about moving this around. After we inspected the metal for damage and counted the bars, we accepted the shipment.
Please understand taking delivery from the COMEX entails some risk. But for many proponents of gold and silver to simply say “have the metal shipped to a business, store it at home, or do not let a third party handle or store your metal,” investors might consider this experience. When you have armed guards show up at your doorstep with a shipment, they are trained to carry out a certain function. They are not there to greet you with a smile like a mailman or newspaper delivery boy.
Our armored facility is very well equipped to handle deliveries whether scheduled or unscheduled. Fortunately, the experience of our management team turned a potentially costly situation into safe and secure delivery.
Do not let this story dissuade you from taking delivery off the COMEX. The above story is not your typical delivery and most armored carriers provide a very secure environment for its cargo and the items held in their vault. For us the process is routine. Our facility can support you in preparing the three items requested by the COMEX custodian for delivery, arranging for a pick up and transportation, and securing valuable assets in a fully insured/segregated facility.
Bob Coleman
profitsplus@cableone.net
http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
The What, Why’s, and How’s of Physical Precious Metals
The What, Why’s, and How’s of Physical Precious Metals
The What
The first and foremost question is what are you investing in? Are you putting capital into physical metal that stands alone and outside the monetary system? This is the primary function of owning precious metals in the first place yet many we speak with seem to misunderstand or interpret this crucial factor!
Restated we might ask do you understand the difference between investing and participating in physical gold and silver. In my view, investing has the following characteristics:
Invest in a known form of physical gold and silver this can be coins or bars and sizes up to deliverable commercial silver and gold as held on the Comex.
If you elect to own metal in individual or commercial form make certain of the following:
Have the precious metal stored in an armored and insured vault.
Have the custodian independent from the financial system.
Provide the investor a choice upon distribution, cash or physical metal.
Offer accessibility to the metal and have prearranged options for delivery if client wants the metal in hand.
On the other hand, participating offers the following characteristics:
Ability to follow the price of the precious metals.
Settlement is normally in cash or currency with little emphasis on actually delivering in smaller deliverable form.
The program is directly tied to the financial or bullion dealer system.
Accessibility to the metal is hindered by the custodian in the form of sub-custodian or bailment relationships. Also, participants have to factor serious tax consequences if the program offers the ability to take physical delivery in jurisdictions where Value Added Tax is an issue.
In other words participation programs buy and store mostly large bars of metal with the focus on cost efficiency and effectiveness for the program itself.
If your preference is participation then understand the risks to your capital.. If your preference is investing then understand the risks of accessibility. Programs may have the best intention but if you can not get to your metal or your metal can not be delivered you may not have it just when you need it the most!
The Why
With the recent chaos in the financial markets one must examine their entire portfolio. Yes, that includes precious metals. For those who are involved in precious metals, what I am referring to is the form in which you are pursuing (gold and silver). Although, many own the physical metal and store it “close to home”, many others use conduits to gain participation in this sector. With all the options in the market place, lack of understanding can breed mistakes. I believe we are entering a period in which these mistakes may become very costly. However, for the investors who are involved in the bullion, the distinctions between the numerous programs are extraordinary and need to be recognized.
Lets first start with the reasons why you believe in gold or silver. The basic premise is to diversify from inflation, systemic risk, or political uncertainty. Ask yourself are my gold or silver investments in bullion attainable and accessible?
Again, the distinction depends whether you are participating or investing in the bullion itself. Review your agreements and documents, ask questions that pertain to you and your portfolio needs(for example understand the difference between fully allocated and fully segregated), and most importantly ask the precious metals program what would happen under extreme circumstances. Understanding your investment and how it operates may avoid unpleasant surprises in the future.
The How
In this dynamic political and economic climate, what sounds reasonable today may not be appropriate in the future. For example, capital and exchange controls could hamper overseas programs and your ability to receive the metal. How do you know for sure that the bullion vault is not leasing out your gold? How fast can companies turn large bars of gold and silver into deliverable ounces?
In other words the program must have already considered issues such as confiscation, changes in economic/political policy, systemic concerns within the central banking system, and geo-political events. The precious metal programs that have built a model that is flexible and adaptable to change will have the ability to overcome these challenges and protect its investors.
Three years ago, I reviewed nearly every gold and silver program in the world. None met my stringent standards and fiduciary concerns. A few of which were:
accessibility and transparency of storage,
clients assets were held in allocated form not fully segregated form, and
communication or delivery between the program or vault and the customer.
Your objective must be to invest in the precious metals not merely participate in price movement.
Therefore I created a set of unique programs for you – the precious metals investor.
The structure, which puts the needs of the investor first, is simple yet very competitive. We offer storage and investment solutions that can be tailored to each individual throughout world. We have taken into account many common concerns of precious metal investors such as viewing one’s holdings, having ideal alternative storage locations, and providing an insured, secured and fully segregated vaulting environment. Understanding the current political and economic environment is only part of the foresight included in our approach.
In summary, part of investing in the bullion markets includes understanding the market environment, eliminating as much risk as possible, and protecting your assets in a prudent manner.
To find more information visit my blog at http://profitsplusecaptial.blogspot.com or send an email to profitsplus@cableone.net We can answer any of your portfolio questions and quickly provide you many ways to purchase your very own gold and silver. We will completely furnish insured, fully segregated, and armored storage for you. At that point you will realize just how profitable and vital ownership of physical gold and silver truly is.
Bob Coleman
http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/
The What
The first and foremost question is what are you investing in? Are you putting capital into physical metal that stands alone and outside the monetary system? This is the primary function of owning precious metals in the first place yet many we speak with seem to misunderstand or interpret this crucial factor!
Restated we might ask do you understand the difference between investing and participating in physical gold and silver. In my view, investing has the following characteristics:
Invest in a known form of physical gold and silver this can be coins or bars and sizes up to deliverable commercial silver and gold as held on the Comex.
If you elect to own metal in individual or commercial form make certain of the following:
Have the precious metal stored in an armored and insured vault.
Have the custodian independent from the financial system.
Provide the investor a choice upon distribution, cash or physical metal.
Offer accessibility to the metal and have prearranged options for delivery if client wants the metal in hand.
On the other hand, participating offers the following characteristics:
Ability to follow the price of the precious metals.
Settlement is normally in cash or currency with little emphasis on actually delivering in smaller deliverable form.
The program is directly tied to the financial or bullion dealer system.
Accessibility to the metal is hindered by the custodian in the form of sub-custodian or bailment relationships. Also, participants have to factor serious tax consequences if the program offers the ability to take physical delivery in jurisdictions where Value Added Tax is an issue.
In other words participation programs buy and store mostly large bars of metal with the focus on cost efficiency and effectiveness for the program itself.
If your preference is participation then understand the risks to your capital.. If your preference is investing then understand the risks of accessibility. Programs may have the best intention but if you can not get to your metal or your metal can not be delivered you may not have it just when you need it the most!
The Why
With the recent chaos in the financial markets one must examine their entire portfolio. Yes, that includes precious metals. For those who are involved in precious metals, what I am referring to is the form in which you are pursuing (gold and silver). Although, many own the physical metal and store it “close to home”, many others use conduits to gain participation in this sector. With all the options in the market place, lack of understanding can breed mistakes. I believe we are entering a period in which these mistakes may become very costly. However, for the investors who are involved in the bullion, the distinctions between the numerous programs are extraordinary and need to be recognized.
Lets first start with the reasons why you believe in gold or silver. The basic premise is to diversify from inflation, systemic risk, or political uncertainty. Ask yourself are my gold or silver investments in bullion attainable and accessible?
Again, the distinction depends whether you are participating or investing in the bullion itself. Review your agreements and documents, ask questions that pertain to you and your portfolio needs(for example understand the difference between fully allocated and fully segregated), and most importantly ask the precious metals program what would happen under extreme circumstances. Understanding your investment and how it operates may avoid unpleasant surprises in the future.
The How
In this dynamic political and economic climate, what sounds reasonable today may not be appropriate in the future. For example, capital and exchange controls could hamper overseas programs and your ability to receive the metal. How do you know for sure that the bullion vault is not leasing out your gold? How fast can companies turn large bars of gold and silver into deliverable ounces?
In other words the program must have already considered issues such as confiscation, changes in economic/political policy, systemic concerns within the central banking system, and geo-political events. The precious metal programs that have built a model that is flexible and adaptable to change will have the ability to overcome these challenges and protect its investors.
Three years ago, I reviewed nearly every gold and silver program in the world. None met my stringent standards and fiduciary concerns. A few of which were:
accessibility and transparency of storage,
clients assets were held in allocated form not fully segregated form, and
communication or delivery between the program or vault and the customer.
Your objective must be to invest in the precious metals not merely participate in price movement.
Therefore I created a set of unique programs for you – the precious metals investor.
The structure, which puts the needs of the investor first, is simple yet very competitive. We offer storage and investment solutions that can be tailored to each individual throughout world. We have taken into account many common concerns of precious metal investors such as viewing one’s holdings, having ideal alternative storage locations, and providing an insured, secured and fully segregated vaulting environment. Understanding the current political and economic environment is only part of the foresight included in our approach.
In summary, part of investing in the bullion markets includes understanding the market environment, eliminating as much risk as possible, and protecting your assets in a prudent manner.
To find more information visit my blog at http://profitsplusecaptial.blogspot.com or send an email to profitsplus@cableone.net We can answer any of your portfolio questions and quickly provide you many ways to purchase your very own gold and silver. We will completely furnish insured, fully segregated, and armored storage for you. At that point you will realize just how profitable and vital ownership of physical gold and silver truly is.
Bob Coleman
http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/
Friday, October 24, 2008
October 23, 2008
Re: Response from the CME Group
Ladies and Gentlemen:
We have received an outpouring of support and interest from the recent letter I sent the CME and the CFTC. Before I get into their response, I would like to mention that many investors, individuals, and institutions are perplexed by the unusually tight (in some cases non-existent) supply of investable/deliverable silver in the world. I find it unusual that silver remains labeled an industrial metal when in fact it has become so scarce for investors.
The reasons for owning gold and silver have been well published by many individuals. What I am more concerned with is the inability to invest in an asset class in which there is currently very little availability. Unlike any other conventional market, gold and silver, seem to be getting harder to find as the paper price drops further.
I am worried about the confidence and perception of the paper metal markets. With the physical supply shortage being real and physical demand being so strong, the concern is that individuals and institutions may start to test the exchange’s credibility through outright demand of their inventory. Unlike the government’s bailout programs for many paper instruments, I do not see that type of shared support for the commodities market, especially precious metals.
Trust is a very fragile commodity, itself. Once broken, it may never be restored. That is the risk the paper metal markets are telling me at this point. Unless there is underlying or fundamental reasons beyond margin calls for the drop in paper prices, my intuition is telling me that something is very wrong. Is someone or some entity building a large position in the precious metals? If that is the case, then you may be concerned about the ability to get physical metal in the future. That is why I wrote the letter to the CFTC and CME Group.
Again, the risks are real and individuals must understand the true difference between the physical and paper world. The paper is only as good as what backs it. In this period of history it is evident many investors are now asking “who can I really trust”. It is that mentality that places a premium on the physical metal versus a paper certificate. As this credit crisis unfolds and the bailouts continue, it is only logical that many exchanges will be tested. As a concerned investor, the last thing I want is to be holding a paper promise that may not be fulfilled.
I would like to thank the CME Group for their quick response. In full disclosure, this was their actual reply to me. I am still waiting to hear from the CFTC.
Bob:
Thank you for your October 17, 2008 email where you inquired:
- "...I would like to buy and take physical delivery of 1 to 5 million ounces
of silver a month on a consistent basis...."
The monthly volume (200/1000 contracts) which you would wish to take delivery is currently within the Exchanges Silver “Expiration Month Limit” and thereby acceptable to the Exchange.
-“… Would there be any obstacles or resistence from either the CME Group/COMEX or the CFTC…”
I can only reply for the CME Group and not the CFTC.
As long as any customer follows the Exchange Rules, there would not be a problem.
Vice President
Market Surveillance
CME GROUP
It is obvious that the rules can change at any moment and this is a concern to many individuals. For now, I would strongly suggest if you were thinking about owning silver, the COMEX is certainly the most cost efficient method of procuring the metal. Please keep in mind that transportation and storage of these bars may involve a cost. These costs have to be weighed in your decision making. We can provide an effective and efficient alternative for those who are not interested in dealing with these issues yet want to participate in the precious metals.
Our programs are determined to follow the rules of the exchange and take physical delivery of their inventory for as long as possible. The structure of our programs and vaulting facilities are very unique and have been designed to fully insure and segregate all physical precious metals. The storage is independent from the financial and bullion dealer system. We specialize in providing private storing, safeguarding, and viewing of your assets. We have made arrangements with armored transportation carriers to pick up, transport, and store the metal to many of our available vaults. Please go to http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/ for more information.
For individuals, investment professionals, or institutions who are concerned about the unusual nature between paper and physical gold and silver prices and wish to create a more balanced environment that reflects the true supply and demand imbalances in the market place, please contact me at 208-468-3600 or email me at profitsplus@cableone.net.
Bob Coleman
Managing Member, Profits Plus Capital Management, LLC
Re: Response from the CME Group
Ladies and Gentlemen:
We have received an outpouring of support and interest from the recent letter I sent the CME and the CFTC. Before I get into their response, I would like to mention that many investors, individuals, and institutions are perplexed by the unusually tight (in some cases non-existent) supply of investable/deliverable silver in the world. I find it unusual that silver remains labeled an industrial metal when in fact it has become so scarce for investors.
The reasons for owning gold and silver have been well published by many individuals. What I am more concerned with is the inability to invest in an asset class in which there is currently very little availability. Unlike any other conventional market, gold and silver, seem to be getting harder to find as the paper price drops further.
I am worried about the confidence and perception of the paper metal markets. With the physical supply shortage being real and physical demand being so strong, the concern is that individuals and institutions may start to test the exchange’s credibility through outright demand of their inventory. Unlike the government’s bailout programs for many paper instruments, I do not see that type of shared support for the commodities market, especially precious metals.
Trust is a very fragile commodity, itself. Once broken, it may never be restored. That is the risk the paper metal markets are telling me at this point. Unless there is underlying or fundamental reasons beyond margin calls for the drop in paper prices, my intuition is telling me that something is very wrong. Is someone or some entity building a large position in the precious metals? If that is the case, then you may be concerned about the ability to get physical metal in the future. That is why I wrote the letter to the CFTC and CME Group.
Again, the risks are real and individuals must understand the true difference between the physical and paper world. The paper is only as good as what backs it. In this period of history it is evident many investors are now asking “who can I really trust”. It is that mentality that places a premium on the physical metal versus a paper certificate. As this credit crisis unfolds and the bailouts continue, it is only logical that many exchanges will be tested. As a concerned investor, the last thing I want is to be holding a paper promise that may not be fulfilled.
I would like to thank the CME Group for their quick response. In full disclosure, this was their actual reply to me. I am still waiting to hear from the CFTC.
Bob:
Thank you for your October 17, 2008 email where you inquired:
- "...I would like to buy and take physical delivery of 1 to 5 million ounces
of silver a month on a consistent basis...."
The monthly volume (200/1000 contracts) which you would wish to take delivery is currently within the Exchanges Silver “Expiration Month Limit” and thereby acceptable to the Exchange.
-“… Would there be any obstacles or resistence from either the CME Group/COMEX or the CFTC…”
I can only reply for the CME Group and not the CFTC.
As long as any customer follows the Exchange Rules, there would not be a problem.
Vice President
Market Surveillance
CME GROUP
It is obvious that the rules can change at any moment and this is a concern to many individuals. For now, I would strongly suggest if you were thinking about owning silver, the COMEX is certainly the most cost efficient method of procuring the metal. Please keep in mind that transportation and storage of these bars may involve a cost. These costs have to be weighed in your decision making. We can provide an effective and efficient alternative for those who are not interested in dealing with these issues yet want to participate in the precious metals.
Our programs are determined to follow the rules of the exchange and take physical delivery of their inventory for as long as possible. The structure of our programs and vaulting facilities are very unique and have been designed to fully insure and segregate all physical precious metals. The storage is independent from the financial and bullion dealer system. We specialize in providing private storing, safeguarding, and viewing of your assets. We have made arrangements with armored transportation carriers to pick up, transport, and store the metal to many of our available vaults. Please go to http://profitspluscapital.blogspot.com/ for more information.
For individuals, investment professionals, or institutions who are concerned about the unusual nature between paper and physical gold and silver prices and wish to create a more balanced environment that reflects the true supply and demand imbalances in the market place, please contact me at 208-468-3600 or email me at profitsplus@cableone.net.
Bob Coleman
Managing Member, Profits Plus Capital Management, LLC
Friday, October 17, 2008
Taking delivery of 1 to 5 million ounces a month
October 16, 2008
To Mr. Chilton, Commissioner, CFTC and Ms. Troyke, Director and Associate General Counsel, Market Regulation, CME Group:
In full and proper disclosure, I would like to ask the CME/COMEX and CFTC the following question regarding monthly delivery of silver.
I manage a physical gold and silver bullion fund. In order to stay within the “Model State Commodity Code” of many states, an exempt transaction by the purchaser (in this case the Dollars and Sense Growth Fund) must abide by the following code:
A commodity contract for the purchase of one or more precious metals which requires, and under which the purchaser receives, within seven to twenty-eight calendar days (varies depending on the state) from the payment in good funds of any portion of the purchase price, physical delivery of the quantity of the precious metals purchased by such payment, provided that, for purposes of this paragraph, physical delivery shall be deemed to have occurred if, within such 7 to 28 day period (varies depending on the state), such quantity of precious metals purchased by such payment is delivered whether in specifically segregated or fungible bulk form.
In this environment, it has become very difficult and expensive to buy physical silver from the physical dealer market. The difference in paper prices on the Comex and the physical dealer market have widened considerably. In addition, the overwhelming demand for silver has created delivery time delays of up to 4 months. These delivery delays create a direct violation with many Model State Commodity Codes.
My research has led me to the conclusion that it is much more effective and cost efficient to buy silver directly from the COMEX and take full delivery. The spot prices are much cheaper than the dealer market and the CFTC along with the CME/Comex have stated in reports there are ample supplies of silver available for delivery with no market inhibitions. For an individual or institution wanting to accumulate a position, these are ideal market conditions.
The question I have is this:
I would like to buy and take physical delivery of 1 to 5 million ounces of silver a month on a consistent basis. I am not interested in holding warehouse receipts but taking actual physical delivery from your approved depositories/warehouses. Would there be any obstacles or resistence from either the CME Group/COMEX or the CFTC when I begin to implement or during the ongoing process of this strategy?
I look forward to your reply.
Bob Coleman
profitsplus@cableone.net
To Mr. Chilton, Commissioner, CFTC and Ms. Troyke, Director and Associate General Counsel, Market Regulation, CME Group:
In full and proper disclosure, I would like to ask the CME/COMEX and CFTC the following question regarding monthly delivery of silver.
I manage a physical gold and silver bullion fund. In order to stay within the “Model State Commodity Code” of many states, an exempt transaction by the purchaser (in this case the Dollars and Sense Growth Fund) must abide by the following code:
A commodity contract for the purchase of one or more precious metals which requires, and under which the purchaser receives, within seven to twenty-eight calendar days (varies depending on the state) from the payment in good funds of any portion of the purchase price, physical delivery of the quantity of the precious metals purchased by such payment, provided that, for purposes of this paragraph, physical delivery shall be deemed to have occurred if, within such 7 to 28 day period (varies depending on the state), such quantity of precious metals purchased by such payment is delivered whether in specifically segregated or fungible bulk form.
In this environment, it has become very difficult and expensive to buy physical silver from the physical dealer market. The difference in paper prices on the Comex and the physical dealer market have widened considerably. In addition, the overwhelming demand for silver has created delivery time delays of up to 4 months. These delivery delays create a direct violation with many Model State Commodity Codes.
My research has led me to the conclusion that it is much more effective and cost efficient to buy silver directly from the COMEX and take full delivery. The spot prices are much cheaper than the dealer market and the CFTC along with the CME/Comex have stated in reports there are ample supplies of silver available for delivery with no market inhibitions. For an individual or institution wanting to accumulate a position, these are ideal market conditions.
The question I have is this:
I would like to buy and take physical delivery of 1 to 5 million ounces of silver a month on a consistent basis. I am not interested in holding warehouse receipts but taking actual physical delivery from your approved depositories/warehouses. Would there be any obstacles or resistence from either the CME Group/COMEX or the CFTC when I begin to implement or during the ongoing process of this strategy?
I look forward to your reply.
Bob Coleman
profitsplus@cableone.net
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